“The origin of the conception is entirely pagan”

 

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“The origin of the conception is entirely pagan”

Egyptologist Arthur Weigall, while himself a Trinitarian, summed up the influence of ancient beliefs on the adoption of the Trinity doctrine by the Catholic Church in the following excerpt from his previously cited book:

“It must not be forgotten that Jesus Christ never mentioned such a phenomenon [the Trinity], and nowhere in the New Testament does the word ‘Trinity’ appear. The idea was only adopted by the Church three hundred years after the death of our Lord; and the origin of the conception is entirely pagan . . .

“The ancient Egyptians, whose influence on early religious thought was profound, usually arranged their gods or goddesses in trinities: there was the trinity of Osiris, Isis, and Horus, the trinity of Amen, Mut, and Khonsu, the trinity of Khnum, Satis, and Anukis, and so forth …

“The early Christians, however, did not at first think of applying the idea to their own faith.They paid their devotions to God the Father and to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and they recognized the mysterious and undefined existence of the Holy Spirit; but there was no thought of these three being an actual Trinity, co-equal and united in one

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Trinity pagan origin

The question was asked in the Catholic Catechism.

“Q. What is Sunday, or the Lord's Day in general?

A. It is a day dedicated by the Apostles to the honour of the most holy Trinity, and in memory that Christ our Lord arose from the dead upon Sunday, sent down the holy Ghost on a Sunday, &c. and therefore is called the Lord's Day. It is also called Sunday from the old Roman denomination of Dies Solis, the day of the sun, to which it was sacred.” — (The Douay Catechism of 1649, p. 143)

An interesting statement considering “Sunday worship” and the “Trinity doctrine” both came from sun and Satan worship in Babylon, and they were both brought into Christendom by the Catholic Church whom God calls Babylon!

Some of the above information has been taken from the video “The gods of Babylon” and is only a small portion of the information available. I highly recommend watching the entire video for the rest of the story that I have not covered above. You will find it at the bottom of this page or by selecting the link above.

“The trinity got its start in Ancient Babylon with Nimrod - Tammuz - and Semiramis. Semiramis demanded worship for both her husband and her son as well as herself. She claimed that her son, was both the father and the son. Yes, he was “god the father” and “god the son” - The first divine incomprehensible trinity.” — (The Two Babylons, Alexander Hislop, p. 51)

in Egypt, their trinity became Osiris, Horus and Isis (top left). In Greece it was Zeus, Apollo and Athena (top right). And in India there was Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva (bottom left). Notice also the yellow halo around their heads which represents the sun god. The system of Rome adopted the same symbol where you see saints with a halo around their head. Most tend to think that this means they are holy but it actually represents the sun god. And speaking of Rome, they had Jupiter, Mars and Venus (bottom right).

Alexander Hislop summed up the trinity with the following, “All these have existed from ancient times. While overlaid with idolatry, the recognition of a trinity was universal in all the ancient nations of the world.” — (The Two Babylons, pp. 17, 18)

Three became the most universal number of deity. Sun worship is one of the most primitive forms of religion, and early man sometimes distinguished between rising, midday, and setting sun. The Egyptians, for example, divided the sun god into three deities: Horus, rising sun, Ra or Re, midday sun, and Osiris, old setting sun.” — (Egyptian Deities, New International Encyclopedia. NY: Dodd, 1917. Volume 7, p. 529)

“The ancient Babylonians recognised the doctrine of a trinity, or three persons in one god— as appears from a composite god with three heads forming part of their mythology, and the use of the equilateral triangle, also, as an emblem of such trinity in unity.” — (Thomas Dennis Rock, The Mystical Woman and the Cities of the Nations, 1867, pp. 22, 23)

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Origin of trinity nicean conference & Constantine

The Trinity was known by the ancient pagans, such as the Egyptian

Trinity (Ozirous, Izes, and Hoars), the Persian Trinity (Ormizd, Mitras, and Ahraman), the Scandinavian Trinity (Aowen, Tora, and

Freie), and the Mexican Trinity (Tzikliboka, Ahotzlipo Shtiki, and Tlakoma).

The Greek philosophers, whose belief was similar to the Christians’, also believed in their Trinity (existence, knowledge, life),

and many others, which will take too long to mention.1

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- Paganism in Christianity, Mohammad Taher Attenneer, pp 13-23, Christianity, Ahmad

Shalaby, pp 118-120, A Study on the Torah and The Gospel, Kamel Saafan, pp 81, 228

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In 381 C.E, by the order of the Emperor Tedious, the Council of Constantinople formed, to discuss Bishop Macedonius’ belief. He denied the divinity of the Holy Spirit; and he believed what the Holy Books mentioned about him. He believed that, “The Holy Spirit is a divine work spread in the world, not a divine person who is different from the Father and the Son”, and, “He is like all the creations”, and

he saw him as a servant of the Son just like one of the angels.

One hundred and fifty priests attended this council. These priests decided to deprive Macedonius of his office, and they made one

important decision never made by the church councils before, which was deifying the Holy Spirit. They considered him as a complement

to the Trinity. They said, “We have no other meaning for the Holy Spirit except the Spirit of God, God is nothing except his life, and

saying that the Holy Spirit is a creation, is the same as saying that God is a creation.” 1

Priest Yasin Mansor said, “The Holy Spirit is the eternal God, he existed before the creation, and he is the creator of everything, able to do anything. He is present everywhere, and he is the everlasting and the unlimited”.

He also said, “The Holy Spirit is the third hypostasis of the Trinity. He is not just a power or characteristic, but a real self, a living person, and a distinct divine being. He is not separate; he is a divine unit different from the Father and the Son, but equal to them in power and position, sharing with them the basic and the same divinity.2

2_ Christians refer to John’s Gospel when talking about the divinity of the Holy Spirit: “God is spirit” (John 4/24).

They also believe that

he is the spirit that existed from the beginning of creation, “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.”

(Genesis 1/1-2). Many other passages also mention spirit, God spirit,

or the Holy Spirit.

1. People of the Book, Let Us Come to a Common Term, Raoof Shalaby, pp 218 -221

2. Christian Hypostasis, Ahmad Hejazy Assaqa, pp 42-44. Allah One or Three,

Mohammad Magdy Morjan, pp 116 - 125

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The First Nicene Council

In 325 C.E., by the order of the Pagan emperor Constantine, who declared a few years before, the law of the religious indulgence in

the empire -The Nicene Council - was formed.

Constantine realized that the conflict between Christian churches was affecting the people in the empire, and threatening the existence

of the country. Thus, he decided to set up a general council gathering all Christian parties. He personally set up the council, and

2048 priests from different churches were present. The negotiations lasted for three months without agreeing on one opinion.

The emperor conciliated the conflicting parties, and they presented the Nicene Creed, which made the belief in Jesus’ (PBUH) divinity an official belief for Christians and then for the Roman Empire.

The Nicene Council did not discuss the Holy Spirit or his divinity. The negotiations about him continued between churches until they settled the matter at the First Council of Constantinople.

Second: The First Council of Constantinople

The First Council of Constantinople was formed in 381 C.E., to discuss Macedonius, the Arian who was the bishop of Constantinople, who denied the divinity of the Holy Spirit.

He said,

“The Holy Spirit is a divine work spread in the world, he is not a divine person, who is different from the Father and the Son.”

The council was formed by order of the emperor Theodosius I

(D.395 C.E.). One hundred and fifty bishops were present, deciding to annul

the Arian belief. In addition, they decided that the Holy Spirit is Allah’s (S.W) spirit and His life, and that he is the third hypostasis of

the Trinity, and they added one passage to the Nicene Creed; thus, the Trinity became the official creed of Christianity.

There were many monotheists, who in spite of their minor contribution and presence refuted the Trinity and Jesus’ (PBUH) divinity even after the Nicene Council for many centuries, despite the existence of the church’s power and authority.

1- The Church History, Eusebius, pp 130, 343

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