Qur'an says the Bible is NOT corrupt - By Wendy Poole
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I have spent MANY hours reviewing what I thought I knew about Islam and Christianity and their similarities.
The Qur'an (I own 4) says to accept the bible, yet Muslims constantly tell me that it is corrupt and incorrect. Then how can they say they believe in it, if they discount the very Gospel itself? Isn't saying this, calling God, Himself, a liar?
The Qur'an WARNED Muhammad to search the scriptures, which he did, and accepted. The Qur'an also says MAN (Muslims?) will call the word of God corrupt and changed. This is what literate Muslims have been doing since 1064 because they knew their Qur'an conflicted with what was previously sent in the bible and Muhammad didn't account for his lack of knowledge when formulating the Qur'an.
Don't PREACH to ME what you yourself have not studied and researched. I am NOT a sheep following the mere teachings of Iman's or Pastors or Popes. I listen to what GOD reveals to me in my heart. Historically, evidence OUTSIDE of religious teachings have been written to document and account for the birth, life, deity, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is only refuted by people trying to grasp the essence of God, which one can never accomplish.
If the Jews can preserve the Torah which was then verified by Jesus, and Jesus agreed with it as a Prophet should, and came with the Gospel, which the Qur'an verifies as God's words, then how is it Islam, couldn't protect what was before the Qur'an came, nor what was in Muhammad's hands that HE HIMSELF testified to? Seems like an EPIC FAILURE on the part of Islam to protect God's words. Therefore, if there is any conflict among them, one obviously is truth, while the other is a lie. Do your own research as I have. Majority rules in this case.
The following are excerpts I have gleaned and gathered that are constantly repeated in my research.
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Muslims repeatedly claim that the Bible has been corrupted and that the Qur'an is the only trustworthy scripture in existence. This is why Muslims often attack the Bible. But this cannot be according to the Quran. The Quran says that the books of Moses, the Psalms, and the gospel were all given by God.
· Torah - "We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers," (Sura 2:87).
· Psalms - "We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Ismael, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job,Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms,"(4:163).
· Gospel - "It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind,and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong),"(3:3).
Also, "And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah," (5:46).
We see that the Qur'an states that the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel were all given by God. With this we Christians heartily agree. But, the Muslims claim that the Bible is corrupted and full of contradictions. If that is so, then it would seem they do not believe the Qur'an since the Qur'an says that the Word of God cannot be altered:
· "Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
· "The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all," (6:115).
· "For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity," (10:64).
When Muhammad (570 - 632) was alive, he claimed to receive the revelation of the Qur'an from Allah. This means that at that time the Bible, which was in existence, could not have been corrupted because the Qur'an states that God's word cannot be corrupted. The question I have for the Muslims is "When and where was the Bible corrupted, since the Qur'an says that the Torah, the Psalms,and the Gospel are from Allah and Allah's words cannot be changed?"
MY PERSONAL WENDY QUESTION: If the bible was corrupted at the time of Muhammad, when he himself held it in his hands, why did he not say so? He used it, he honored it's every word. If it was corrupted after he gave the Qur'an, where is the NEW REVELATION from GOD HIMSELF saying it is corrupt? Why can't a single Muslim show me in the Qur'an, your 'preserved word," where God said it is incorrect to believe the bible? You can't because this is NOT THE DOCTRINE of the Qur'an. (ooops)
Muhammad 'Abduh (Egypt) another Islamic Scholar:
Another example of a Muslim who agrees that the Bible is not corrupted is the Egyptian scholar, Muhammad 'Abduh. In regard to alleged biblical corruption, he notes that the "charge of corruption of the Biblical texts makes no sense at all.It would not have been possible for Jews and Christians everywhere to agree on changing the text. Even if those in Arabia had done it, the difference between their book and those. (Jacques Jomier, "Jesus, The Life of the Messiah", page 216, [19])
It is presumed by Muslims criticizing the Bible that the Arabic phrase, "guarding it in safety", refers to the Qur'an's role as a quality control agent, affirming that which remains intact and exposing any tampering to the biblical text. However, when the verse is read in conjunction with the previous passages and within the verse itself, the Qur'an is seen as protecting and guarding uncorrupted scriptures; it says absolutely nothing about exposing textual corruption whatsoever. (cf. Sura5:43-47,68 - Ali).
In fact, the Qur'an came as an Arabic verification of the Bible to the Arabs who were ignorant of the contents of the Judeo - Christian Scripture:
Sura 35:31:
"That which We have revealed to you of the Book is the truth, attesting to(the truth of) that which IS between his (its) hands (the Torah and Gospel)..."
Sura 10:37:
"This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than God; but it IS A VERIFICATION of that (the Torah and Gospel) which IS between his (its) hands,and the explanation of the Book, WHEREIN THERE IS NO DOUBT, from the Lord of the worlds." WOW!!!!
In the preceding passages, the Qur'an is sent as a confirmation of the Book"in which there is no doubt." Not once do these verses state that the Book at the time of Muhammad had been corrupted and needed to be corrected in any way.
Furthermore, it is the Qur'an, not the Bible, that needs to be viewed in light of previous Scripture for verification purposes:
Sura 10:94
"And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily (means to verify) the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers."
Finally, the Qur'an itself states that God would make sure that the Bible would be protected from corruption:
"We have, without doubt sent down THE MESSAGE (Zhikra); And We will assuredly guard it (from corruption)." [S. 15:9 - Y. Ali]
That this includes the Holy Bible is made clear in the following citations:"And before thee We sent none but men, to whom We granted inspiration: If ye realize this not, ask of those who possess THE MESSAGE (Zhikri)." [S.16:43 - Y. Ali]
"There are many different Bibles, so how can you say yours is the Word of God?"
Response:
There are different Bibles, that are made up of a different canon of Biblical books.
For example, there are bibles for the Protestant Church, Roman Catholic Church,Anglican Church, Greek Orthodox Church, Coptic Church, Ethiopic Church, and Syriac Church. They contain different number of books.
however, the books that they differ on do not include anything that would change any of the doctrines of Christianity. Whether one accepts the 22 books of the Syriac Church or the 27 of the Protestant and Catholic canon, ONE WOULD STILL GET ORTHODOXY.
For instance, examining the contents of the 7 different canons would leave one with the following teachings:
The Deity of Jesus Christ.
The Incarnation.
The Tri-unity of God.
The Divine Personality of the Holy Spirit.
The Virgin Birth.
Christ's Vicarious Atonement.
Christ's Physical, Bodily Resurrection.
Christ's Ascension to Heaven.
Christ's Visible Return to Judge the Living and the Dead.
Justification by Faith.
Salvation through Grace.
The list can go on. Hence, no matter what canon one holds the teaching is the same.
Finally, this point is not the canon. The point is that our present day Bible accurately reflects the originals and the Qur'an agrees that the Holy Bible has remained uncorrupt.
Two variations of this Muslim objection rests upon early Christian works known as the Diatessaron and Peshitta. The Diatessaron was basically a synthesis of the four Gospels. In fact, the Diatessaron used the four Gospels as its primary source affirming the early and universal acceptance of the canonical Gospels by friend and foe alike. Also the fact that orthodox believers used it affirms that it was orthodox in content.
The Peshitta was a Syrian Church canon. It contained most of the books our New Testament contains today. The Peshitta represents for the New Testament an accommodation of the canon of the Syrians with that of the Greeks. Third Corinthians was rejected, and, in addition to the fourteen Pauline Epistles including Hebrews, three longer Catholic Epistles - James, 1 Peter, and 1 John,were included. The four shorter Epistles 2 Peter, 2 and 3 John, and Jude and Revelations are absent from the Peshitta Syriac version. Thus the Syriac canon of the New Testament contained but twenty-two writings. For a large part of the Syrian Church this constituted the closing of the canon, for after the Council of Ephesus (AD 431) the East Syrians separated themselves as Nestorians from the Great Church.
Even with the differences in the Peshitta canon, WE STILL HAVE ORTHODOX CHRISTIANITY!
The Bible is not corrupted, nor is there any materialized(physical) evidence to support this accusation other then "hearsay." The Bible is the oldest known book; older than the Qur'an. The Qur'an includes many numerous biblical personalities, but only recognizes The Torah of Moses,The Gospels of Jesus, and the Psalms of David, as authentic. As the Qur'an accuses Jews and Christians of distorting their earlier revelation by intentionally suppressing the truth or by false interpretation, but there is more than enough physical evidence to not only support, but thwart any dispute or doubt of its authenticity.
(1) For the Old Testament (OT), there are thousands of manuscripts that have been found to support it, 10,000 manuscripts alone found in the Cairo Geniza, in 1947, 600 OT manuscripts found in the Dead Sea caves at Qumran, and the Dead Sea Scrolls, which contain at least fragments of all OT books except Esther, that all date from before the end of the first century A.D. And some to the third century B.C. It is well known that Jewish scribal reverence for Scripture led to it's careful translation. The Greek translation of the OT, the Sepuagant and the Samaritan Pentateuch, both show close similarity to the same biblical books preserved with Jewish tradition. Studies show that 95% of the text is correct word-for-word. After 1,000 years there were no changed in meaning and almost no changes in wording!
(2) For the New Testament (NT) it's manuscripts allow it to be translated more accurately and precise than any other ancient text. There are almost 5,700 Greek manuscripts, which in comparison to the typical book from antiquity that would have 7 to 10 manuscripts; Homer's Illiad has the most at 643. The New Testament is the best textually supported book from the ancient world. The earliest NT manuscript is the John Rylands Papyrus, dated between A.D. 117 and 138. Whole books are contained in the Bodmer Papyri from around the year 200, and most of the NT including the Gospels, is available in the Chester Beatty Papyri manuscripts dating to about 250. There are many New Testament manuscripts,which would corroborate it's authenticity. Princeton Prof. Bruce Metzger found that the NT is only a half percent in doubt meaning its without a shadow of a doubt in corrupted and was translated accurately, being 99.9 percent accurate—the best known for any book in from the ancient world. With all this being said, with all the early dates and unmatched accuracy of the OT and NT manuscript copies establish the Bibles reliability well beyond any other book.Thus the Bible which is read today is a trustworthy copy of the original text written from the pens of the prophets and apostles. Muslims believe the Bible to be compromised or doctored by man, but the Bible is not compromised by God using human personalities in its writing any more than when He uses human personality in the spoken word of prophets. There is more than enough evidence to support the Bible and the fact that Jesus lived, died for all our sins that we may have life, was resurrected, and will one day return for His people.
As a Christian myself, let me say that I love all my brothers and sisters no matter their race, beliefs, or color. I pray that all who read this would not only open their hearts and minds to what I've written but to Jesus Christ son of the living God, Yahweh, Adonai. Peace and love to all.
But how do they come to you for decision while they have the Taurat (Torah), in which is the (plain) Decision of Allah; yet even after that, they turn away. For they are not (really) believers.
If the Torah and the Bible were sent as guidance and light, by which ALL PREVIOUS PROPHETS SUBMITTED TO, judged by the Jews, and was entrusted to them for the PROTECTION AND PRESERVATION, and was witnessed to........
IF IT IS IN FACT CORRUPT AS MUSLIMS SAY, WHY DOES ALLAH, THE ALL KNOWING, REFERRING PEOPLE TO READ IT?? WHY TOO DOES MUHAMMAD VERIFY AND ATTEST TO ITS AUTHENTICITY CONFIRMING THE WORDS WITHIN IT?
Shouldn't ALL the so called"prophets" agree throughout the ages? This is the "test" of a true prophet according to God. How can one suddenly have such a different perspective and call God (who's the ONLY one who can change His words Himself and protects the integrity of HIS words) a liar?
Hmmmmmmmmmm......IF all were sent by God, why is there a contradiction in History with Islam now, SINCE 1064?
The Qu'ran itself says, make NO DISTINCTION AMONG GOD'S MESSENGERS, THE MESSAGE IS FOR ALL, JEWS, CHRISTIANS, AND MUSLIMS.
Surah 3:84 -
"We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and in what was given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets from their Lord. We MAKE NO DISTINCTION AMONG ANY OF THEM. To Him alone we are submitters."
ALLAH CLEARLY SAYS NOT TO MAKE ANY DISTINCTION AS TO WHO IS TO FOLLOW THE BIBLE, BUT ALL ARE TO FOLLOW THE BIBLE. PERIOD. GOD HAS NOT DEVIATED IN HIS CLARITY ON THIS ISSUE.
AGAIN I ASK, IF THE BIBLE WAS IN FACT CORRUPT, SHOULDN'T MUHAMMAD (WHO IS CLAIMED TO BE A PROPHET) KNOW IT IS CORRUPT AND WARN ALL HIS FOLLOWERS? HE DIDN'T.
IPSO FACTO, BECAUSE IT IS NOT CORRUPT EVEN ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN HOLY BOOK.
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Assalamu Alaykum everyone,
Well,
I know that this note is quite big..but i also think,
by answering this note,we will be able to refute many lies and bring truth infront of everyone.so,i decided to reply this note.
if you want to read original note,scroll above in this reply,i divided notes in paragraph wise..to make it easy for you to read.
all his words are in light gray color...mine text in black color.
///I have spent MANY hours reviewing what I thought I knew about Islam and Christianity and their similarities. The Qur'an (I own 4) says to accept the bible, yet Muslims constantly tell me that it is corrupt and incorrect. Then how can they say they believe in it, if they discount the very Gospel itself? Isn't saying this, calling God, Himself, a liar? //
hmmmmmmmmmm
so,HE SPENT MANY HOURS REVIEWING .....MANY HOURS.
He worked on what he knew about Islam,he didn;t tried to find more info but started writing this note...from what he knew about islam.
very smart.
while people spent many years,however he he got conclusion,just after few hours.
oh,by the way....as you know...my English is not very good.so,kindly ignore mistakes...
if any Muslim brother wish to spend time in correcting mistakes,you are welcome...
correct it,and send it to me...i will replace my text with yours.
InshahAllah.
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//The Qur'an (I own 4) says to accept the bible, yet Muslims constantly tell me that it is corrupt and incorrect. Then how can they say they believe in it, if they discount the very Gospel itself? Isn't saying this, calling God, Himself, a liar?.//
First most important thing...HE OWN 4 QURAN .... i mean 4 translation of quran.
sadly having quran in your home does not mean you know Qur'an.
at this point im not going to use any scripture,just some logical questions from main Islamic beliefs.
He says that Quran says Muslims must accept Bible ..my question.
Why Quran will say to accept a book,which blaspheme by making Jesus Equal to God ?
Why Quran will say to Accept a Book,which says ALLAH Have SON (Astagfirullah) ?
Why Quran will say to accept a book,which abuses prophets ?
Why will Quran say that accept a book which turn every mighty prophets of God in to a worse sinners ?
Why Quran will say to Accept a Book,Which Makes Abraham in to Sinner and his relationship with with Hagar,a adultery (according to christian beliefs) ?
I hope you know the answers.
// Then how can they say they believe in it, if they discount the very Gospel itself? Isn't saying this, calling God, Himself, a liar?.//
Well,Actually its not Muslim belief,but Christian belief ...
The God is Trinity,yet he said he is one,The God had 3 heads yet he said he is one.
The God said there is no any other part of him,yet there was Jesus Christ according to christian beleif..
According to Christian beliefs. However the jews,have similar beleif,like Muslim belief about God.
BUT What If we accept his views,
then he will fail in giving proofs that Allah swt talked about bible written Greek in the Holy Qur'an,while his prophet used Aramic.
The Bible Christians have was written in GREEK.
No,Allah swt will not send his guidance in Chinese language to a person living in India.
If We Accept that this bible is same bible,about which Allah talked in Holy Qur'an ,then this bible should be in Aramaic Language,not in Greek Language.
for example :
In Which language Allah sent Quran to Muhammad s.a.w ?
Allah sent Holy Quran in Arabic,as Muhammad s.a.w living in Arabic community,it was sent in the language he was using so,that he can clearly teach people.Allah swt itself said about this Holy Quran.
so,making such claims that Allah talked about bible written in Greek,which was not the language of Christ.itself prove the writer of note dont know facts.
Above You saw that in both case (if we accept his claim and logically)...He is Wrong.
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Lets see another points..
//The Qur'an WARNED Muhammad to search the scriptures, which he did, and accepted. The Qur'an also says MAN (Muslims?) will call the word of God corrupt and changed. This is what literate Muslims have been doing since 1064 because they knew their Qur'an conflicted with what was previously sent in the bible and Muhammad didn't account for his lack of knowledge when formulating the Qur'an.//
WARNED ?
lol....if im not wrong,then its was suggestion..not warning.
looks like this smart person,don;t know difference between warning and suggestion.
more over,Quran did;t asked Muhammad s.a.w to search the scripture, Qur'an says that ask people of the scripture.
[ WEL,THIS MAY BE LITTLE BIT CONFUSING ,SO I WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THIS POINT]
In Quran Allah swt said to ask from people of scripture not from SCRIPTURE.
If Christians are right in saying that Quran says ask from scripture...
hold it..
Why Will Allah swt say Ask from a scripture ?
Do you think he don;t know that Books don;t speak ?
Find any book,where ever you are right now..
and say Good morning or Good Afternoon to Book.and wait for reply.If you got answer from your book,then don;t forget to upload in our page.
My lord know that a book will not speak,
He said to Ask from People of Scripture,that means from human beings.you can ASK or talk with human being..not with a printed book.
So,Christians claims that Quran says Accept Bible is a LIE.
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//This is what literate Muslims have been doing since 1064 because they knew their Qur'an conflicted with what was previously sent in the bible and Muhammad didn't account for his lack of knowledge when formulating the Qur'an.//
ok,first let me laugh little bit.ya....
so,according to this 21 century,scholar.
Muslims living before 1064 did;t believed that bible was corrupted.
WE HAVE AUTHENTICATED HADITH WHICH TALKS ABOUT COMPILATION OF HOLY QURAN.
In the Hadith The Muslim Soldiers informed Sahaba that people from Iraq are creating confusion,
and they said situation will be like Christians,who corrupted scripture.
after this UMAR R.A order zayed to collect manuscript and start compilation of Qur'an and Zayed did,
after Allah put in his heart to do it..
and you are saying Muslims after 1064 started saying bible is corrupted ...
ha ha ha ha ha h a
even if your view is true.
that Muslims living before 1064 didn;t said bible is corrupted,no problem.
then how Christians living in 2nd century made claims that leaders have corrupted scripture.
now what ?
OMG.
you don;t know your history. my friend,Go and read your history.
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//Don't PREACH to ME what you yourself have not studied and researched. I am NOT a sheep following the mere teachings of Iman's or Pastors or Popes. I listen to what GOD reveals to me in my heart. Historically, evidence OUTSIDE of religious teachings have been written to document and account for the birth, life, deity, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is only refuted by people trying to grasp the essence of God, which one can never accomplish.//
ITS NOT PREACHING,ITS REFUTATION OF YOUR LIES...
by the way your boosting is not Good. You are a sheep.sheep of Christ (according to ur own belief)
oppppssssss
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//If the Jews can preserve the Torah which was then verified by Jesus, and Jesus agreed with it as a Prophet should, and came with the Gospel, which the Qur'an verifies as God's words, then how is it Islam, couldn't protect what was before the Qur'an came, nor what was in Muhammad's hands that HE HIMSELF testified to? Seems like an EPIC FAILURE on the part of Islam to protect God's words. Therefore, if there is any conflict among them, one obviously is truth, while the other is a lie. Do your own research as I have. Majority rules in this case. //
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA H AH AH AH HA
Jews Preserve the Torah ?
in Which world you live brother ?
ha ha ha ha ha ha
ok,wait...if jews preserved torah..
then how can Jews says You Christians corrupted there scripture ?
My Friend,i suggest you..please read more before making false claims.
infact you don;t even know that Jews Claim Christians corrupted scripture.then how Jews preserved Torah...?
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//The following are excerpts I have gleaned and gathered that are constantly repeated in my research.
Muslims repeatedly claim that the Bible has been corrupted and that the Qur'an is the only trustworthy scripture in existence. This is why Muslims often attack the Bible. But this cannot be according to the Quran. The Quran says that the books of Moses, the Psalms, and the gospel were all given by God.
· Torah - "We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers," (Sura 2:87).
· Psalms - "We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Ismael, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job,Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms,"(4:163).
· Gospel - "It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind,and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong),"(3:3).
Also, "And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah," (5:46).//
NO MUSLIM SAYS IT WAS FROM SATAN.
lol
//We see that the Qur'an states that the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel were all given by God. With this we Christians heartily agree. But, the Muslims claim that the Bible is corrupted and full of contradictions. If that is so, then it would seem they do not believe the Qur'an since the Qur'an says that the Word of God cannot be altered:
· "Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
· "The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all," (6:115).
· "For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity," (10:64)//
We Indeed believe in Qur'an and We also believe that God word can;t be altered.
but The book you have is GOD Word ? Where bible says this ?
What is the proof that the book you have is the same book about Which Allah swt talked in Quran ?
if you have then im waiting ....
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//When Muhammad (570 - 632) was alive, he claimed to receive the revelation of the Qur'an from Allah. This means that at that time the Bible, which was in existence,could not have been corrupted because the Qur'an states that God's word cannot be corrupted.//
Do you even know which bible was in existence that time ?
Quran did;t said that Bible came with Qur'an.Everyone knows Bible came before Qur'an.
Quran says Gospel was given to Jesus Christ.not some anonymous authors.
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//This means that at that time the Bible, which was in existence,could not have been corrupted because the Qur'an states that God's word cannot be corrupted.//
then you have show us,that the bible you have is the same bible Allah swt talked in Quran.
Where is that proof ?
//The question I have for the Muslims is "When and where was the Bible corrupted, since the Qur'an says that the Torah, the Psalms,and the Gospel are from Allah and Allah's words cannot be changed?"//
Indeed the originals can;t be changed.we will answer about when and where,after you confirm that you have same bible..
if the current bible is the same bible,About which Allah talked in Quran..
then how can bible says God is trinity.as you believe God is trinity is mentioned in Bible ?
and if God is trinity is mentioned in Bible,then it means Bible is corrupted..
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//MY PERSONAL WENDY QUESTION: If the bible was corrupted at the time of Muhammad, when he himself held it in his hands, why did he not say so? He used it, he honored it's every word. If it was corrupted after he gave the Qur'an, where is the NEW REVELATION from GOD HIMSELF saying it is corrupt? Why can't a single Muslim show me in the Qur'an, your 'preserved word," where God said it is incorrect to believe the bible? You can't because this is NOT THE DOCTRINE of the Qur'an. (ooops)//
This is not your personal questions,you copied this question from apologist,and we answered this many times.
so,there is no need to showoff ..about ur question that why Muhammad didn;lt said...we will see later.
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//Muhammad 'Abduh (Egypt) another Islamic Scholar:
Another example of a Muslim who agrees that the Bible is not corrupted is the Egyptian scholar, Muhammad 'Abduh. In regard to alleged biblical corruption, he notes that the "charge of corruption of the Biblical texts makes no sense at all.It would not have been possible for Jews and Christians everywhere to agree on changing the text. Even if those in Arabia had done it, the difference between their book and those. (Jacques Jomier, "Jesus, The Life of the Messiah", page 216, [19])//
we were not the first,who claimed that bible is corrupted..then how they said ? and they were not muslims, don;t you know that ?
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//It is presumed by Muslims criticizing the Bible that the Arabic phrase, "guarding it in safety", refers to the Qur'an's role as a quality control agent, affirming that which remains intact and exposing any tampering to the biblical text. However, when the verse is read in conjunction with the previous passages and within the verse itself, the Qur'an is seen as protecting and guarding uncorrupted scriptures; it says absolutely nothing about exposing textual corruption whatsoever. (cf. Sura5:43-47,68 - Ali). //
//In fact, the Qur'an came as an Arabic verification of the Bible to the Arabs who were ignorant of the contents of the Judeo - Christian Scripture:
Sura 35:31:
"That which We have revealed to you of the Book is the truth, attesting to(the truth of) that which IS between his (its) hands (the Torah and Gospel)..."
Sura 10:37:
"This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than God; but it IS A VERIFICATION of that (the Torah and Gospel) which IS between his (its) hands,and the explanation of the Book, WHEREIN THERE IS NO DOUBT, from the Lord of the worlds." WOW!!!!//
The Quran is confirming,what teaching was actually sent by Allah to prophets and about his Prophets...
Quran Confirms about Prophet Acts.
Quran confirms that David Didn;t committed adultery...
Quran confirms that Abraham didn;t committed Adultery .
Quran Confirms that Jesus was not son of God..
Quran confirms that Lot A.s didn't slept with daughter.
Quran Confirms that God is one..
Quran Confirms that Moses didn;t died as punishment.
Quran CONFIRMS that which was sent before..
Quran Confirms the truth.
Quran was revealed to Muhammad in Truth,confirming the truth which was in Torah and Gospel.
//In the preceding passages, the Qur'an is sent as a confirmation of the Book"in which there is no doubt." Not once do these verses state that the Book at the time of Muhammad had been corrupted and needed to be corrected in any way. //
The no doubt is said for Quran..
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//Furthermore, it is the Qur'an, not the Bible, that needs to be viewed in light of previous Scripture for verification purposes:
Sura 10:94
"And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily (means to verify) the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers."
Finally, the Qur'an itself states that God would make sure that the Bible would be protected from corruption:
"We have, without doubt sent down THE MESSAGE (Zhikra); And We will assuredly guard it (from corruption)." [S. 15:9 - Y. Ali] </p?>
That this includes the Holy Bible is made clear in the following citations:"And before thee We sent none but men, to whom We granted inspiration: If ye realize this not, ask of those who possess THE MESSAGE (Zhikri)." [S.16:43 - Y. Ali] //
Aha....wow....
Everyone Must Concentrate....
did;t he first said Quran warned Muhammad to search scripture and Muslims must accept bible..but in the above passage:
read the above passages again.you will find below text.
//then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee.//
//ask of those who possess THE MESSAGE (Zhikri)."//
Above writer of note said that Quran order Muhammad to search scripture..
but in above passage he is sharing verse,which says ask people of the book...not IN BOOK.
What kind of liar this person is ? i already explained this before,this person lied...
and here,he itself gave us proof that he is a liar and IGNORANT.
every such claim that Qur'an says Muslims must accept bible,or says Muslims must search in scripture is a lie.
Allah said to Ask People of the scripture.
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From here he is sharing info related to bible,lies are in those text too.but im not going to talk about that...
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Finally he said :
//The Bible is not corrupted, nor is there any materialized(physical) evidence to support this accusation other then "hearsay." The Bible is the oldest known book; older than the Qur'an. The Qur'an includes many numerous biblical personalities, but only recognizes The Torah of Moses,The Gospels of Jesus, and the Psalms of David, as authentic. As the Qur'an accuses Jews and Christians of distorting their earlier revelation by intentionally suppressing the truth or by false interpretation, but there is more than enough physical evidence to not only support, but thwart any dispute or doubt of its authenticity. //
WAIT WAIT WAIT...
I THINK IN THIS NOTE THE WRITER WAS SHOWING THAT QURAN SAYS BIBLE IS NOT CORRUPTED..
BUT IN ABOVE PARAGRAPH HE IS SAYING THAT QURAN ACCUSES JEWS AND CHRISTIANS FOR DISTORTING.
//As the Qur'an accuses Jews and Christians of distorting their earlier revelation by intentionally suppressing the truth or by false interpretation, but there is more than enough physical evidence to not only support,//
wooo....
SubhanAllah.
Takbir...
Allahu Akbar..
HE BUSTED HIS OWN LIES FROM HIS OWN LIPS.
ALLAHu AKBAR
ALLAHU AKBAR
What can i say more about the person,who itself proved that he is a liar ????
any thing left ????
S.A
[sorry for big note]
