الأحد، 8 يناير 2023

Is Jesus Son of God or Son of Man ?

 Is Jesus Son of God or Son of Man ?

Many people tell us "but the Bible clearly says that Jesus is the Son of God. How can you say that Jesus is not God's only begotten son when Jesus says it so clearly in black and white in the Bible?" Well, first of all, we first need to know the language of his people, the language of the Jews to whom he was speaking. Let us see how they understood this proclamation.

Let us begin by asking: How many sons does the Bible tell us that God Almighty has?

  1. Jacob is God's son and firstborn: "Israel is my son, even my firstborn" Exodus 4:22.

  1. Solomon is God's son "He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son": 2 Samuel 7:13-14.

  1. Ephraim is God's firstborn: "for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn." Jeremiah 31:9 (who is God's firstborn? Israel or Ephraim?).

  1. Adam is the son of God "Adam, which was the son of God." Luke 3:38.

  1. Common people (you and me) are the sons of God: "Ye are the children of the LORD your God" Deuteronomy 14:1. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God" Romans 8:14. "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:" John 1:12. "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15. "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: ... now are we the sons of God" 1 John 3:1-2. "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 38:7. "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD," Job 2:1. "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD," Job 1:6. "when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men," Genesis 6:4. "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair" Genesis 6:2

As we can see, the use of the term "son of God" when describing normal human beings was not at all an uncommon practice among Jesus' people.

Was Jesus the only begotten son of God? Read Psalms 2:7

"I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me (King David, King), Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.".

When the Jews picked up stones to stone Jesus (pbuh) he defended himself with the following words

"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, 'I said, Ye are gods?' If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken..."

John 10:34:

See indeed, the Jews are even referred in the Bible as gods!!!

 

(he was referring to Psalms 82:6 "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High..") As we can see from these and many other verses like them, "son of God" in the language of the Jews was a very innocent term used to describe a loyal servant of God. Whether the translators and editors chose to write it as "Son of God" (with a capital S) in reference to Jesus and "son of God" (with a small S) in reference to everyone else does not diminish the fact that in the original language, both cases are exactly the same.

 

During his earthly life Jesus was addressed as rabbi and was regarded as a prophet. A title of respect for a rabbi would be "my Lord." But in the Bible in Indonesian translation “my Lord” was translated as “God”.

 

16Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. John 20:16

 

"And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee."

Matthew 21:11

"And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:"

Luke 24:19

It is unlikely that the title "Son of David" was ascribed to him or accepted by him during his earthly ministry. "Son of God," in former times a title of the Hebrew kings (Psalms 2:7), was first adopted in the post-Easter church as an equivalent of Messiah and had no metaphysical connotations (Romans 1:4). Jesus was conscious of a unique filial relationship with God, but it is uncertain whether the Father/Son language (Mark 18:32; Matt. 11:25-27 par.; John passim) goes back to Jesus himself" .

 

There seems to be only two places in the Bible where Jesus (pbuh) refers to himself as "son of God." They are in John chapters 5 and 11. Hastings in "The dictionary of the Bible" says: "Whether Jesus used it of himself is doubtful."

 

However, Jesus is referred to as the "son of Man" (literally: "Human being") 81 times in the books of the Bible. According to both the Bible and the Qur'an Jesus was not the son of a human man. However, we find him constantly saying "I am the son of man." Why?. It was because in the language of the Jews, that is how you say "I am a human being."

What was he trying to tell us by constantly repeating and emphasizing to us throughout the New Testament "I am a human being," "I am a human being," "I am a human being"?. What had he foreseen? Think about it!.

In the Gospel of Barnabas, we are told that Jesus (pbuh) knew that mankind would make him a god after his departure and severely cautioned his followers from having anything to do with such people.

 

The New Testament Greek word translated as "son" are "pias" and "paida" which mean "servant," or "son in the sense of servant." These are translated to "son" in reference to Jesus and "servant" in reference to all others in some translations of the Bible

 

One of the most fundamental reasons why Jesus (pbuh) is considered God is due to extensive mistranslation.

 

Islam teaches that Jesus (pbuh) was a human being, not a god. Jesus (pbuh) continually emphasized this to his followers throughout his mission.

 

"And the angles said 'O Mary, Allah gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him, his name is Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, High honored in this world and the next, of those near stationed to Allah."

The noble Qur'an, A'al-Umran(3):40.

We as Muslims do not differ with Christians in the fact that Jesus (pbuh) was indeed born miraculously without a human father. Muslims only differ with Christians in the Christian's claim that Jesus (pbuh) must have a father. Trinitarians believe that if he has no human father then his father must be God. Muslims believe that he had no father whatsoever, and this was the essence of his miraculous birth.

"The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam, he created him from dust, then said to him: 'Be' and he was"

The noble Qur'an, A'al-Umran(3):59.

"They say: Allah has taken a son. Glorified be He! He has no needs! His is all that is in the heavens and that is in the earth. You have no warrant for this, do you say regarding Allah that which you know not?"

The noble Qur'an, Yunus(10):68

"The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. They both used to eat (earthly) food. See how we make the signs clear for them, then see how they are deluded!"

The noble Qur'an, Al-Maidah (5):75.

"And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

John 17:3.

Notice the above words of the Bible: "YOU the ONLY true God." Most Christians always manage to see a hidden abstract meaning for the verses of the Bible. Even when they read the above verse they always manage to understand something totally different than that which they are reading. They always interpret the word "you" to be "we," and thus, understand the above verse to say "WE the only true god." Jesus (pbuh) is obviously talking to a distinctly different entity than himself and telling that entity that He ALONE is the only true God. Is Jesus (pbuh) incapable of saying "I the only true God" or "We the only true God" if that is what he meant? Can we see the difference?

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Co-eternity:
God is claimed to have "begotten" Jesus . Jesus is claimed to be the "Son" of God. "Beget" is a verb which implies an action. No matter how you define what God actually did in order to "beget" Jesus , any definition must require that God Almighty performed some action and then Jesus came into being. Before God performed this action Jesus was not. After God performed this action Jesus came into being. Thus, not only is Jesus (pbuh) not eternal, since there was a time (before the "begetting") when he did not exist, but he can also never be co-eternal with God since God was in existence at a time when Jesus was not. This is very simple grade-school logic.

All sins is forgiven but men must crucify God ?

 All sins is forgiven but men must crucify God ?

The three faiths, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, all purport to share one fundamental concept: belief in God as the Supreme Being, the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe. Known as "Tawhid" in Islam, this concept of Oneness of God was stressed by Moses (pbuh) in the Biblical passage Known as the "Shema," or the Jewish creed of faith:

"Hear, O Israel The Lord our God is one Lord"

Deuteronomy 6:4

It was repeated word-for-word approximately 1500 years later by Jesus (pbuh) when he said

"...The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord."

Mark 12:29

Muhammad (pbuh) came along approximately 600 years later, bringing the same message again:

"And your God is One God: there is no god but He"

The noble Qur'an, al-Bakarah(2):163

However, into a vague and mysterious doctrine that was formulated during the fourth century CE. This doctrine, which continues to be the source of controversy both within and outside the Christian religion, is known as the Doctrine of the Trinity. Simply put, the Christian doctrine of the Trinity states that God is the union of three divine persons - the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - in one divine being. Christians are commanded to always refer to them all as ONE God. This belief was first put to words in the famous "Creed of Nicea" in 325C.E.

 

Thus the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. But there are not three gods, but one God. The Father is Lord, the Son is Lord, and the Holy Spirit is Lord. There as not three lords, but one Lord. For according to Christian truth, we must profess that each of the persons individually is God; and according to Christian religion we are forbidden to say that there are three gods or lords. …But the entire three persons are coeternal and coequal with one another….So that, as we have said, we worship complete unity in the Trinity and the Trinity in unity. This, then, is what he who wishes to be saved must believe about the Trinity….This is the Catholic faith. Everyone must believe it, firmly and steadfastly; otherwise He cannot be saved. Amen."

Christian sects are many and varied. However, the majority of Christians the world over believe in the following four basic concepts:

  1. The Trinity,
  2. The divine Sonship of Jesus (pbuh),
  3. The original sin, and
  4. The death of "the Son of God" on the cross in atonement for the original sin of Adam.

A Christian can be saved and enter heaven by simply believing in the above creeds. According to St. Paul, the previous law and commandments of God are worthless, this simple belief will guarantee for all comers eternal salvation. For example, St. Paul is quoted to have said:

"Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."

Romans 3:28.

Christianity as it stands today has been reduced to an interpretation of the words of Jesus (pbuh) within the context of what Paul taught rather than the other way around which is the way it should be.

 

We would expect Christianity to be the teachings of Jesus (pbuh) and that the words of Paul and everyone else would be accepted or rejected according to their conformity to these "Jesuit" teachings. However, we will notice in what follows that Jesus (pbuh) never in his lifetime mentioned an original sin, or an atonement. He never asked anyone to worship him, neither did he ever claim to be part of a Trinity. His words and actions are those of a loyal messenger of God who faithfully and faultlessly followed the commands of his Lord and only told his followers to do the same and to worship God alone (John 4:21, John 4:23, Matthew 4:10, Luke 4:8 ...etc.).

 

The words of Paul are put above the words of Jesus. Most of Jesus words was cross & worthless. Eg.

 

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one title shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled Jesus, Fulfillment of Law of Moses. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Matthew 5:18-19.

Jesus (as part of the ONE God) is claimed to have been prepared for sacrifice on the cross by the human (the one that God created) and was a willing victim (otherwise we would have to claim that God is a sadistic and torturous God who forced Jesus into such a savage end). However, whenever Jesus (pbuh) was asked about the path to "eternal life" he consistently told his followers to only "keep the commandments" and nothing more (Matthew 19:16-21, John 14:15, John 15:10). Not once did he himself ever mention an original sin or a redemption. Even when pressed for the path to "PERFECTION" he only told his followers to sell their belongings.

 

The Bible bears witness to this very simple fact. Jesus (pbuh) is telling us that so long as creation exists, the commandments will be required from his followers.

Jesus (pbuh) had foreseen mankind's attempt to distort and annul his commandments, the commandments of Moses (pbuh), which he had taught his followers to keep and himself had kept faithfully.

 

In the Qur’an  we read:

 

"And I (Jesus) have come confirming that which was before me of the Torah, and to make lawful for you part of that which was forbidden upon you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord so seek refuge in Allah and obey me"

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Most of them don't follow Jesus words....They crucify Jesus words also . The noble Qur'an, Aal-Umran(3):50

Thomas' outburst make Jesus God ?

 Thomas' outburst make Jesus God ?

"Then saith he (Jesus) to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." John 20:28

 

Christian scholars such as Theodore of Mopsuestia (c.350-428), the Bishop of Mopsuestia, interpreted this verse to not be directed at Jesus but at God "the Father." Thus, it is similar in meaning to our modern exclamations of surprise "My God!" or "My Lord!." In other words, this was an outburst designed to display surprise and disbelief rather than an affirmation that Jesus was in fact God "the Father."

 

If we were to continue reading from this same Gospel of John, we will find that immediately following this discourse between Jesus and Thomas depicted by the author of "John," the same author of "John" goes on to write:

"And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."

John 20:30-31

 

If the author of John had recognized Thomas' words to be a testimony that "Jesus is God" and if the author interpreted Jesus' silence to be his approval of this claimed testimony, then John would have written "that ye might believe that Jesus is the Almighty God" and not "that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ..." (For an explanation of the terms "son of God" and "Christ"

If we go back to the same chapter of John 20 Verse 17-18.

. 17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. 18Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.

We notice here Mary Magdalena surprised ….Rabboni!!!! (Master!!!)  & Notice here Jesus stress…  I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God  

Why did he not just say "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father." ... and stop !?

Why did Jesus feel it necessary to add the words "...and to my God, and your God." What additional information was he trying to convey to us with these extra words? Think about it carefully.

 

If you read a cross reference written by Luke at  the same moment of what Jesus said after they crucify him , dead and buried for 2 days:

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The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. John 20:25

Thomas will not believe unless he see himself the print of the nails on Jesus hand & he wanted to put his finger in the nail hole. The testimony proof that no blood & no print or nail hole... 

Submission to the 'true God'

 Submission to the 'true God'

Wadee Uthman 6:55pm Apr 21

 

Did Islam began only 1400+ years ago ?

Islam literally means 'submission(to truth)' - Islam is not 'religion' in conventional sense but a 'complete way of life'. Muslims believe that Muhammad(saw) was the final Messenger - and the previous messengers include Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus and many such sent to every nation & every tribe.

 

Coming back to the question, When did Islam begin ?

Islam is the way of life of first sentient-beings the angels, and the natural-part of all living-things including plants, animals & jinns - and Islam(submission) is also the natural attribute that every single-thing in the universe, possesses - the sun, the stars, planets and every single-atom "submits" to the Only creator. :))

 

Jazak'Allah


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Most of them don't follow Jesus words....They crucify Jesus's words also .

Jesus said.."a spirit has no flesh"

 Jesus said.."a spirit has no flesh"

    Matthew 12:40 for just as JONAH WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE BELLY OF THE SEA MONSTER, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

     

    Recently, many people and scholars have attempted to rewrite this early history, by claiming that the Gnostic Gospels of Judas and others were widely accepted as inspired by the earliest church, and present a different Christ than that presented by the Apostles and their associates. This is simply not true, as is demonstrated in 1 John, written likely by the Apostle John near the end of the 1st century, where he warned believers not to be deceived by those who "deny that Jesus came in the flesh," i.e. with a physical human body, thereby born as a man while He was God. The Gnostics claimed "special knowledge" that the body that Jesus had on earth was actually a sort of 'spirit body' that appeared solid, but was in fact what we today would term 'ghost-like,' and not solid, etc. They believed that because a stream of Platonic and other Greek philosophy believed that our physical bodies were evil, and that no God of any sort could be born on earth with a physical body because of that. So, this earliest Gnostic "germ" teaching was denounced by John and other apostles (Jude, etc), and the earliest church fathers. These Gnostic 'gospels'' were never considered inspired by the earliest educated church fathers.

     

     

    Can you read Luke 24:39: Jesus said after they crucify him , dead and buried for 3 days:

    "Why do doubts enter your minds? Handle me and see, for a spirit has no flesh and bones as you see me have" Then read Luke 24 :41-43 "have you here any meat?" "and they give him a piece of boiled fish and of a honeycomb, and he took it, and did eat before them "

      • Very clear he is not a spirit -NOT SPIRITUALISED , NOT RESURRECTED and yet the whole Christian believes that he was resurrected ...

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    In the Bible we also read "God is not a man..........", Numbers 23:19 Jesus is a man not a ghost.