Was Jesus the Son of God ... Crucified? - · Ruba Qewar daughter of senior pastors of the church in Jordan...after she returned to Islam
Well.. Jesus never called himself the Son of God
People did
In the bible when Jesus was performing the
Well.. Jesus never called himself the Son of God
People did
In the bible when Jesus was performing the
miracles the people used to be very surprised
with everything he did so they called him the son of God
The people who called Jesus this name are Jews In the Old Testament when someone was called the son of God, it means he is the chosen
one
He is the messiah
The proof on that in the Old Testament
In psalms 2:7
God says to David You are my son I have begotten you
So David is the son of God
Israelis call themselves the children of God because they are considered as the chosen
people of God
not only that
Christian of nowadays they call themselves the children of God now I understand that the church tried to distinguish the terminology of the son of God
and they called Jesus as he is the second person of the trinity
well.. this is only a church explanation
the bible does not mention the trinity at all
it does not mention the father the son and the holy spirit as one person
In other words Jesus never claimed to be God
let's compare this with the Old Testament
the First Commandment
God says:
you shall not worship any god but me
and he said in the Deu 4:6 for your Lord only you love and worship and God said I am God
he said I am Yahweh
but Jesus never did that
the church tries to put that term in a conclusion without having a clear claim from Jesus
second
it was said about Jesus that he is the Son of God but no one dares to say he is the God Son The second point about Jesus crucifixion
it's a very interesting subject
I have done a research about it
Called a stand at the cross
first of all there is no historical proof say that Jesus has a tomb or grave
the tomb that we have in Palestine or call it Israel was called that it is Jesus' tomb because the church told us so
but it's not a proof that it belongs to him
now we have 4 gospels say that Jesus is the one who was crucified
well.. they say the gospels were written by an eye witness
this is wrong because it was proven that the 4 gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were
anonymous it means that the oldest manuscript no one knew who wrote them
just like the other books of the new testament
but now as a Christian .. the bible has to be believed because it is considered the word of
God
so I am going to prove to you from the bible that Jesus was not the one who was crucified
Let's just assume for the sake of argument that the 4 gospels were written by an eye witness
Then the person who saw the crucified man looks like Jesus
but he wasn't Jesus
he was someone took the similar features of Jesus
if we take the story of the crucifixion of Jesus in the four gospels
and we put the four gospels next to each other, side by side and compare
we will find some contradictions
let's start from the last supper
Jesus say in John 16:6
No I have to leave (or depart) to the one who has sent me
notice the word (depart) he didn't say that I will be crucified
he said I will depart
I will leave
then he said in john 16
I will depart but there is another one coming
he is the spirit of Truth may Christian interpret it as it is the Holy Spirit
however if we look the characteristic of this person
you will find that he is not
how is that?
open on john 16 and read from verse 5
in verse 13 he says he will not speak from himself
but whatever he hears he shall speak
in other words he has no will
if he was the holy spirit the third person of God .. then he should and must speak from
himself
because he has all the power he is God
but Jesus didn't say that
he say he will speak from what he hears
he will have the authority from above
and not from himself
then he say that he will glorify me
and I can imagine that the only person who came after Jesus talk about him
and about all the prophets before him
is Muhammad
the Qura'an was revealed by God to Muhammad
and there is a verse says in the Qura’an Muhammad does not speak from himself
he is revealed by the revelation
he takes the revelation from God
Also the Qura’an contains 3 chapters talk only about Jesus and glorifies him. So Jesus’
prophesy has been accomplished. The chapters are numbers: 3, 5 and 17.
second Jesus goes to the olive mountain
he is praying very hard
oh father, if you can pass this cup .. but not as I want but as you want
so who was Jesus praying for?
if he's God
then does he needs to pray? just compare Jesus with Abraham's son
just for instant
Jesus was complaining ..
he asked God for protection and for the cup to be passed away from him
God does answer the prophets or the chosen ones
because they are closest to God however Abraham’s son was taken to the mountain
and Abraham chained him and put him on the alter to slaughter him
he did not say a word or complain
Jesus complained!
so God has answered his prayer and saved him from the cross
how is that? well
the next point
we find that there is a change in the story of the crucifixion
in matthew 26:64
the person who look like Jesus was asked by the head priest
the head priest asks him are you the Christ?
are you the Messiah?
the person answers him
from now you will see the son of man sitting on the right hand of power
Just compare this talk
with what Jesus said on the mountain to his disciples he said: Now I have to depart
now the person says: "HE is on the right hand of the power"
it changed from I to HE
as the person is saying
it is not me
he is already up there compare between john 16:5 and Mat. 26:64 now let's move to the last scene of his death on the cross
as I said we all know that there is a story of crucifixion
but the person who was crucified was not Jesus
and we know he said many quotes on the cross before he dies
three of them are the ones mentioned right before he die in the 4 gospels
and the Christian theologists tried to reconcile the problem, because the quotes contradict each other
they try to reconcile the quotes by saying that Jesus said it in different timings
well.. wrong
mat. and mark say that Jesus right before he dies .. he only scream then die
luke say that Jesus screamed then said: I put my spirit between your hands
John said: I am accomplished then he died so which one is the correct one?
how does he die? Should I take the assumption that each eye witness saw it from a
different angel? Well.. there is a different wording between what is said in Luke: “In
between your hands I leave my spirit” and John when Jesus says: “I have accomplished” so
which one is the right one?
In addition Jesus in john say that he is done on the cross
and he says in john 17
while he's praying to his Father
he says: the work that you have given to me, I have accomplished
so there is a contradiction in the same gospel
jesus say he's done twice one while he's praying
and one on the cross
so I assume
that the person who said I am done on the mountain is the real Jesus .. then he departed
the other person who was crucified
he said I am done on the cross each one has a different mission to accomplish
and each one finished it in a different time
is that enough till now?
Next time we will talk about a different points prove that Jesus is not the one who was
crucified!
with everything he did so they called him the son of God
The people who called Jesus this name are Jews In the Old Testament when someone was called the son of God, it means he is the chosen
one
He is the messiah
The proof on that in the Old Testament
In psalms 2:7
God says to David You are my son I have begotten you
So David is the son of God
Israelis call themselves the children of God because they are considered as the chosen
people of God
not only that
Christian of nowadays they call themselves the children of God now I understand that the church tried to distinguish the terminology of the son of God
and they called Jesus as he is the second person of the trinity
well.. this is only a church explanation
the bible does not mention the trinity at all
it does not mention the father the son and the holy spirit as one person
In other words Jesus never claimed to be God
let's compare this with the Old Testament
the First Commandment
God says:
you shall not worship any god but me
and he said in the Deu 4:6 for your Lord only you love and worship and God said I am God
he said I am Yahweh
but Jesus never did that
the church tries to put that term in a conclusion without having a clear claim from Jesus
second
it was said about Jesus that he is the Son of God but no one dares to say he is the God Son The second point about Jesus crucifixion
it's a very interesting subject
I have done a research about it
Called a stand at the cross
first of all there is no historical proof say that Jesus has a tomb or grave
the tomb that we have in Palestine or call it Israel was called that it is Jesus' tomb because the church told us so
but it's not a proof that it belongs to him
now we have 4 gospels say that Jesus is the one who was crucified
well.. they say the gospels were written by an eye witness
this is wrong because it was proven that the 4 gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were
anonymous it means that the oldest manuscript no one knew who wrote them
just like the other books of the new testament
but now as a Christian .. the bible has to be believed because it is considered the word of
God
so I am going to prove to you from the bible that Jesus was not the one who was crucified
Let's just assume for the sake of argument that the 4 gospels were written by an eye witness
Then the person who saw the crucified man looks like Jesus
but he wasn't Jesus
he was someone took the similar features of Jesus
if we take the story of the crucifixion of Jesus in the four gospels
and we put the four gospels next to each other, side by side and compare
we will find some contradictions
let's start from the last supper
Jesus say in John 16:6
No I have to leave (or depart) to the one who has sent me
notice the word (depart) he didn't say that I will be crucified
he said I will depart
I will leave
then he said in john 16
I will depart but there is another one coming
he is the spirit of Truth may Christian interpret it as it is the Holy Spirit
however if we look the characteristic of this person
you will find that he is not
how is that?
open on john 16 and read from verse 5
in verse 13 he says he will not speak from himself
but whatever he hears he shall speak
in other words he has no will
if he was the holy spirit the third person of God .. then he should and must speak from
himself
because he has all the power he is God
but Jesus didn't say that
he say he will speak from what he hears
he will have the authority from above
and not from himself
then he say that he will glorify me
and I can imagine that the only person who came after Jesus talk about him
and about all the prophets before him
is Muhammad
the Qura'an was revealed by God to Muhammad
and there is a verse says in the Qura’an Muhammad does not speak from himself
he is revealed by the revelation
he takes the revelation from God
Also the Qura’an contains 3 chapters talk only about Jesus and glorifies him. So Jesus’
prophesy has been accomplished. The chapters are numbers: 3, 5 and 17.
second Jesus goes to the olive mountain
he is praying very hard
oh father, if you can pass this cup .. but not as I want but as you want
so who was Jesus praying for?
if he's God
then does he needs to pray? just compare Jesus with Abraham's son
just for instant
Jesus was complaining ..
he asked God for protection and for the cup to be passed away from him
God does answer the prophets or the chosen ones
because they are closest to God however Abraham’s son was taken to the mountain
and Abraham chained him and put him on the alter to slaughter him
he did not say a word or complain
Jesus complained!
so God has answered his prayer and saved him from the cross
how is that? well
the next point
we find that there is a change in the story of the crucifixion
in matthew 26:64
the person who look like Jesus was asked by the head priest
the head priest asks him are you the Christ?
are you the Messiah?
the person answers him
from now you will see the son of man sitting on the right hand of power
Just compare this talk
with what Jesus said on the mountain to his disciples he said: Now I have to depart
now the person says: "HE is on the right hand of the power"
it changed from I to HE
as the person is saying
it is not me
he is already up there compare between john 16:5 and Mat. 26:64 now let's move to the last scene of his death on the cross
as I said we all know that there is a story of crucifixion
but the person who was crucified was not Jesus
and we know he said many quotes on the cross before he dies
three of them are the ones mentioned right before he die in the 4 gospels
and the Christian theologists tried to reconcile the problem, because the quotes contradict each other
they try to reconcile the quotes by saying that Jesus said it in different timings
well.. wrong
mat. and mark say that Jesus right before he dies .. he only scream then die
luke say that Jesus screamed then said: I put my spirit between your hands
John said: I am accomplished then he died so which one is the correct one?
how does he die? Should I take the assumption that each eye witness saw it from a
different angel? Well.. there is a different wording between what is said in Luke: “In
between your hands I leave my spirit” and John when Jesus says: “I have accomplished” so
which one is the right one?
In addition Jesus in john say that he is done on the cross
and he says in john 17
while he's praying to his Father
he says: the work that you have given to me, I have accomplished
so there is a contradiction in the same gospel
jesus say he's done twice one while he's praying
and one on the cross
so I assume
that the person who said I am done on the mountain is the real Jesus .. then he departed
the other person who was crucified
he said I am done on the cross each one has a different mission to accomplish
and each one finished it in a different time
is that enough till now?
Next time we will talk about a different points prove that Jesus is not the one who was
crucified!
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